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3.2 DPS theory and findings.
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Samhein,
Thanks for doing this I will post my experiences tomorrow.
Can you try with Slow MH/OH and compare it to Fast/Fast?
Which runeforging are you using?
What's your hit at with those weapons?
What's your exact rotation?
Are you going with Dual Disease or Single Disease?
I have a feeling you will see a slightly larger dps increase on Slow/Slow pushing us closer to the Blood spec. I really want to know if FC/FC overlaps or if it dual procs. If it dual procs that would be insane, I think RI is nice, but you need a slow weapon to take full advantage if you went fast weapon than would adding Cinderglacier be better because it would have a higher chance of proccing the 20 percent increase to damage.
This is all theoretical, but I figure once we work through all that. I have a feeling we are going to see that DW Frost dps as being equal to 2h Blood and 2h Unholy, but slightly more powerful than Frost 2h.
Finally, Your IT machine gun spec is interesting in that it will essentially make all your runes Death Runes. Was that the goal?
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How is RI scaling with your weapons?
Do you get to take Full advantage of the 2 percent or is it halved because it's an offhand?
As for dual Diseases I am going to think we will need to spec into epidemic, but I think I will hold off until I get to the PTR tonight to make any assumptions.
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Hrm, didn't think about the RI scaling issue. It might be better to move the RI to the MH and FC to the OH. It would take 2% of the OH damage regardless, that damage is already halved.
Yes, Epidemic is almost a necessity to pull of a comfortable rotation. I got to thinking about a
38/33 build
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IT-PS-BS-BS-Oblit-DC
Oblit-Oblit-Oblit-DC-DC
Probably need to swap out the UB glyph for an Oblit glyph though.
Losing Rime and UA are just too much of a loss, and from EJ's posts Necrosis and BcB combine for less than 7 percent of your total damage with BcB being the worst scaling out there. However this build would be a better hybrid at least I would hope so losing FS is just not something I would like to do. From my view it would maximize single target dps, but you would be at a serious disadvantage with HB on multiple target dps.
http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent#jZG0exA0ckf0cuzoZfM0hxcdr0z:baA
- lol, a 45/26 or 43/29 build maximizing Ghoul and UB and OB
IT-PS- OB-BS-BS-FS for runic
OB-OB-OB-FS spam
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Sam, I am not sure how it's a waste of talent points? FS is a stronger hitter than DC, UB is a 20 second usage when glyphed it's 30 seconds in between those 30 seconds you are going to have quite a bit of time to toss out some very strong FS. I used 1 point to get to FS, not sure how that's a waste.
As For Impurity I needed the 2 points to get to the Ghoul pet. Your build asks for more PS strikes which to me seems weak with BS being brought down a bit so that is no longer harder hitting than OB and SS. You will be using 3 of the weakest attacks in our rotation, PS/BS/DC, and bypassing our strongest hitter in FS.
FS glyph is simply a runic power saver there is no increased damage by it by glyphing it, so by glyphing UB I add 10 seconds to the single target ability of UB allowing me more time to get FS in and to get my rotation going. Again, it will require testing, and I am fearful of going away from HB, but from EJ's testing it looks like Single Disease Frost has gotten a serious nerf.
Change the name of the thread to 3.2 DW DPS theory and findings ;p
Parazzle, without UA, Deathchill, and the increased dps against people under 35 percent health you will seriously gimp your dps. Abom might is overridden in raids typically, and you are giving up a 25 percent clicky that is almost always up for a 6 percent increase seems backwards to me. UA has been noted to be the single best dps buff that any DK can have. Blizz has made sure that speccing into blood for a hybrid DW won't work. If you want to go Hybrid you need to go Unholy, or deep frost with some in Blood. You have gimped yourself to buff one attack BS which will be maybe 10 percent of your total attacks.
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I am not sure how it's a waste of talent points? FS is a stronger hitter than DC, UB is a 20 second usage when glyphed it's 30 seconds in between those 30 seconds you are going to have quite a bit of time to toss out some very strong FS. I used 1 point to get to FS, not sure how that's a waste.
I see the problem. Wowhead didn't update the tooltip. The new UB is no longer an AoE dot. UB now converts 30% of a DC into a rolling dot ( like Deep Wounds). The new Glyph of UB makes the Dot effect 40% stronger.
Basically, if you DC for 5000 damage, it will add on a 1500 point dot that lasts 10 seconds, 2100 if glyphed.
If you're not using DC, there is no reason to pick up UB or the Glyph of UB.
As For Impurity I needed the 2 points to get to the Ghoul pet. Your build asks for more PS strikes which to me seems weak with BS being brought down a bit so that is no longer harder hitting than OB and SS. You will be using 3 of the weakest attacks in our rotation, PS/BS/DC, and bypassing our strongest hitter in FS.
I can see some benefit to it if you put more points into it. I just can't think of a way to do that. There are been many posts that show that Impurity really isn't worth 5 points. That's even more true if you can't make full use of it ( like gargoyle, wandering plague, etc ).
If that's true, than if there is a way to do both DC and FS than it would probably rock, plus just getting DC into your cycle would be nice for the small dot. So our cycle would be more like
IT/PS/OB/BS/BS UB DC if there is enough Runic power
OB/OB/OB/BS/BS/DC/FS/FS
On a side note: How do you get your name to be your link? I can't seem to get mine to do that.
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I like the build except why no BCB but increased PS damage?
How was your runic threat generations?
And while it seems to be a decent single target dps I really think it will suffer in AoE situations.
Sam, I will be on tonight and do a serious of five minute tests with my rather weaker gear and see how it turns out. I think with increased hit we might be able to push that dps up a bit. I would also like to see how it compares to 2hand standard builds.
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Sam, what was your miss rate?
I couldn't get on PTR last night to do any testing my character is still stuck on the list lol.
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Sam,
That would be some beautiful changes, but I think it would send DW to OP mode again which is what they are trying to get away from. I am eager to test out some of the forms, especially since EJ is even completely lost right now on rotation, spec, and FS over DC. I think FS is winning because it crits more often.
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