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Alliance vs. Horde (Legitmate discussion please)
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Post by
Lordplatypus
Who would win, why, what advantages did the losing party have, the aftereffects on azeroth, the two factions and neutral races.
Post by
HiVolt
Can you restate the question with more specific parameters? When you say Alliance, do you mean all the factions who even marginally align themselves with the Alliance or just the playable races? Same for the Horde. What are the main fronts? Whose forces are going where? What types of weaponry are being employed? If the ultimate goal of both factions is total obliteration of the enemy, does either faction seek outside help from either wholly neutral(Earthen Ring/Cenarion Circle/etc.) or evil(Burning Legion/The Scourge/etc.) factions? And perhaps most importantly, who are the supreme commanders?
Without those specifics, you can run through hundreds of completely plausible scenarios where either faction could win. Alternately, you could run through hundreds of completely plausible scenarios that totally change the makeup of the factions and neither the Alliance nor the Horde win. If what you're looking for is an answer to: "Which one is the best?" It's a matter of preference.
Post by
Adamsm
We've had multiple threads about this topic;
here are some
and
here be more
; pretty much all of them stalemated or exploded into flame wars....which is actually a pretty good analog to the conflict themselves.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Simple
In a "Total War" Scenario where all races currenlty aligned with a faction (Ie, Jinyu would go alliance, Taunka join horde, So on so on).
This is not about who is awesomer, this is a discussion of the current strategic enviroment of Azeroth
Also, Awesomer is not a word
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Post by
Monday
Light, that reminds me of a soldier in the Finnish-Russian war, just after WWII. Essentially, this Finnish soldier, nicknamed the White Death, singlehandedly kill over 700 Russian soldiers. The Russians would firebomb whole lengths of forest just to try and get him, and crack squads of hunters were sent after him.
He killed them all.
Post by
Adamsm
If that happens, I can also imagine Silvermoon withdrawing from the Horde, since theirs is an alliance of convenience anyway, and they'd be in a rather precarious position all by their lonesome in the north.Well, except for their Forsaken allies, who have been at their backs; I could see those two splitting from the Horde, but they wouldn't be joining the Alliance.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Light, that reminds me of a soldier in the Finnish-Russian war, just after WWII. Essentially, this Finnish soldier, nicknamed the White Death, singlehandedly kill over 700 Russian soldiers. The Russians would firebomb whole lengths of forest just to try and get him, and crack squads of hunters were sent after him.
He killed them all.
That reminds me of something.
Even at 99:1 odds, theres always the 100th time.
Take the battle off samar between taffy 3 and middle force.
Middle force's flagship just by itself outweighed the entirety of taffy 3.
Middle force retreated
Post by
HiVolt
I think we could account for magic so long as we remember how it's been used in the context of battles in the past.
Numbers are harder to put together, especially in respect to resources, but I think force numbers wouldn't be too hard to infer. The Alliance has always had the benefit of a larger civilian base, but the Horde has something resembling a more militaristic society, so even the lowly peon could be counted upon to pick up an axe and fight if need be. As far as their military forces are concerned, I'd think that the numbers would be fairly evenly matched, maybe giving a slight advantage to the Alliance in respect to the actual number of troops they'd be able to field in battle.
I also think that if we were to look legitimately at this concept, we'd have to disregard the idea that single soldiers can kill hundreds by themselves. It's not something that any single soldier is expected to do, so it's not something that we should expect to happen. I'm not saying it wouldn't, only that we can't rely on it, as those soldiers are definitely the outliers in the equation.
Post by
Patty
The Alliance also, because of a higher overall non-military civilian population, would have an advantage in terms of the amount and rate of resources that could be harvested in a total war situation. That said, the Horde would probably have an advantage in the quicker transportation of goods (mage teleportation hax non-withstanding), and with an overall lower demand for food - as the forsaken do not require much in the way of sustenance. This is all conjecture, of course, but can nevertheless to some extent be inferred from what we know.
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Lordplatypus
There we go! See? not a flame war at all
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Gone
As soon as I looked at this title a little old man on a boat in my head said "theres a %^&*storm a commin!"
Post by
Lordplatypus
WoW3
Sigh again with Wow3?
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Post by
Adamsm
Again, magic counters itself though. A couple of priests could spam dispel and massacre that entire skeleton army, leaving the necromancers exposed.
Aye: Holy magic tears apart Necromatic, Fel is devastated by Nature, Arcane is semi-equal to the Elements; all of the magic of Azeroth has a counter to it.
Also, due to the fact that Necromancy eats at the essence of a mortal(IE use necromancy as a non-demon and you steadily kill yourself), said necromancers have a massive weakness against the Light to, since just like forsaken and Death Knights, the Light will burn away at the impurity within.
Post by
Skreeran
His point wasn't that necromancers are OP, though, it is that magic is unpredictable, and there are thousands of variant strategies where this magic or that magic or these spellcasters or those spellbreakers could singlehandedly turn the tide of battle.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Paladin level 6 or higher runs into battlefield and casts mass resurrect
$%^& got real.
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