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Frost PvP...why?
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Jinjiro
Due to unpredictable situations pvp provides for players, a high burst from them is ideal to control these situations. In Rated BGs frost dks must also provide some utility to the group so they would not be able to sustain a constant dps if they are needed to provide quit pulls from healers and player in trouble.
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Zakkhar
You are wrong assuming that DW gives you more sustained damage than 2h. You are also wrong saying it provides bigger dps (probably using some wierd outdated pve sims). There is no such thing as pressure any more, anything not-bursty is easily healable. Its world of cc-craft and healcraft atm.
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voodoopimp
But keep in mind those numbers are for PvE, which assumes the damage is taking place over a period of several minutes. Burst is almost meaningless against a boss with half a billion HP, but much more useful against a player with closer to half a million.
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Zakkhar
You are also wrong saying it provides bigger dps (probably using some wierd outdated pve sims).
I'm going by Noxxic's Realistic DPS rankings (updated to 5.1), in which DW Frost is a solid 12k DPS higher than 2H. I'd post the link but I'm not allowed to yet. Even in the Maximum DPS chart, it's ahead by a small margin.
Its outdated, wrong and also consists of a parse vs patchwerk style boss that doesnt move or attack back. Nothing to do with pvp. If you simulated yourself you would see 2h is slightly ahead.
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1086414
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Zakkhar
Why you keep claiming it is outdated, I have no idea. But we're getting off-topic anyway.
Because it is outdated. Instead of relying on one site that uses some tools and posts the results, use the tools yourself or check other sites at least.
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1086414
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Piz420
Why you keep claiming it is outdated, I have no idea. But we're getting off-topic anyway.
Because it is outdated. Instead of relying on one site that uses some tools and posts the results, use the tools yourself or check other sites at least.
He is correct. All those profiles were made pre 5.1. Check the most recent post on EJ Frost thread to confirm for yourself.
I still do not understand why you would want to DW in PvP over 2H in the first place. Not one person DW's in PvP unless they are finishing Chapter 2 that day for the prismatic socket (me). You ever go crazy running up on some Alliance dog at mid to low Hp and just SMASHING them with a 120k OB dropping them instantly? You'd rather poke them a few times while running around? Boooooorring.
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Zakkhar
I'd love to look at some more sites though, if you know any.
http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/
based on WoL parses
http://simulationcraft.org/
simulation tool
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Huggi
Hello, I have a different bit of a theory for when I'm playing frost DK. Since I am really decked out on gear this season on my frost DK, I decided to have a T2 2Hander upgraded, and 2 t2 1Handers Upgraded, When playing against a comp that is contained of Cloth-Mail classes, I will use my 2Handed weapon, and when I play against a comp with plates (mostly kfcs and tsgs) I like to use my 2 1Handers, due to frost strike doing more damage and ignoring armor (frost strike damage is more with 2 1Handers) and also it increases my parry a tad more.
One reason I prefer my 2Hander is bigger crits, but as you evolve and get to know frost dks in 5.1, you will learn that you need to oblitterate, but also get in some necrotic strikes. When using One-handers you do not strike with both weapons on necrotics, so that 100% weapon damage is just from your MH, but when you are using the Two-Hander you are going to do more damage, but both are going to have the same healing absorbed.
While you may think this is very little difference, I have found this works best for me!
Good luck and enjoy your time as a frost dk!
Post by
Jaspirac
I pvp with DW and do just fine. I feel like I have adequate burst and overall damage. It is rare for me not to be near top or top damage. I also focus on killing healers where crit, burst, and sustained damage can play a major role. Without having played my DK as 2H frost I can't offer a direct comparison but only my satisfaction and success with DW in the pvp environment.
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