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A Hunter's Curiosity.
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Post by
Jaleeni
So I recently started playing WoW again after about a year and a half. I was slightly overwhelmed by all the changes that MoP brought.
I'm not happy that the crossrealm thing messes with rare spawns for pets, but there's nothing that can be done about that.
Now I spoke to a friend of mine about the differences bewteen Survival and Beast Mastery. I have always played Survival. It just seems easy for me to understand and be able to deal out as much damage as I can...however, my buddy said that Survival got nerfed and that it sucks now, to go with BM since apparently it's a lot better.
Hmm, I don't know. The only time I've ever used BM is to tame exotic pets. xD
I really have no idea how to play as a BM. All I do is spam Arcane shot. >_<
I want to hear what other hunters have to say.
On another note, I was searching through the Hunter Pets on this site and was surprised to see that
Upland Ravens
have not been added to the Birds of Prey list. Is no one aware that they could be tamed as well? You can find them in the
Valley of Emperors
in the
Kun-Lai Summit
.
Upland Raven
They seemed to be a little bit like the Seagulls.
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Post by
Jaleeni
Thanks for the response guys. It was extremely helpful. I just bookmarked the Elitist Jerks for future references.
Although I will always prefer SV, I'll go ahead and try BM out for a bit to see how it goes for me. Who knows, I may enjoy it after all.
Post by
Nooska
For a guide thats a bit more userfriendly than the one on EJ, check my sig ( its the same guide, just in wowhead format).
BM isn't hard to learn, but its not easy to master either - if you are used to SV and have "mastered" SV, I wuold suggets you stick to SV - the delta between BM and SV is small enough to be meaningless when you start comparing individual skill at the individual specs.
Post by
drbosnovich
Just to add a few little things:
hit and exp caps are both 7.5%, not 15% for raid bosses, and are independent (i.e you don't need the sum to equal 15, you need both to be 7.5 or thereabouts). less for HCs but prolly worth just capping them for raid and be done with it.
I'd echo Nooska's point that the delta between specs is small; much better to play what you enjoy (although I personally think that all of the specs feel much more similar than they used to). Certainly SV has not been nerfed, or at least not to the point where it is not useable as your friend suggests. Generally SV wins in Aoe, but BM in single target. And of course pvp. Hey, even MM does perfectly respectible dps single target, even if lags behind the other two a little. It depends on what your focus is, but the for the vast majority of players, the difference between even BM and MM is not going to affect the outcome of a fight, maybe just move you a few places up the dps charts if that's your thing.
Elitist jerks can be an interesting read, but do consider that it is quite detailed and dense, and a lot of the detail considered makes less difference than delaying a single Explosive shot or Kill command in a boss fight, so unless you're dead set on min-maxing, much of the really nerdy stuff will have very little relevance. A lot of the 'perfect, tight rotations' required for the exact haste plateaus to be relevant can very easily be set off by the sudden need to get out of the fire, or misdirect some adds to the tank (or any other thing that has much more relevance to a successful raid than the extra percent of dps). And with our tons of long cooldowns needing to be woven in quite regularly and messing up the rhythm, I tend to think, at least for us mere mortals, that there is such thing as unneccesary detail. So by all means, aim for that stuff, but don't worry too much about it.
Post by
Nooska
I personally don't have any issues with BM and min-maxing being unrealistic - I try to focus on teh realistic and guidelines in my guide.
I will say that there are MANY buttons to push, and that I canonly do it smoothly because I have a mouse with 7 extra keybound buttons (and I still have to click traps when I want to use them) and macroing some things together (like BW and RF).
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Post by
Nooska
I would like you to show me some hard evidence on such a statement; my macro is based on extensive work of both my own and over at EJ, and is actually contrary to what I first had in the guide, as I carried over the cata thoughts on those. It makes analytical and mathematical sense to only pop RF with BW, and the cooldowns align as well.
RF is a focus regen CD for our pets as well, and they are currently focus constrained, so popping it during BW (especially in the beginning) menas you get more pet attacks, and more "wild hunt" procs on those attacks, for more damage output.
For the specific analysis and thoughts, I refer you to the BM thred over on Elitist Jerks.
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
I heard my black arrow and exploding shot are getting 15% increased damage next patch. I imagine that will help bring up SV even more on single target fights. But even now with comparable gear, I have no issue pulling the numbers I need to in SV to raid.
Post by
Nooska
The preliminary results of the buffs I've seen so far bring MM, BM and SV within ~2k of eachother.
Post by
drbosnovich
The preliminary results of the buffs I've seen so far bring MM, BM and SV within ~2k of eachother.
2k out out of how much total?
Post by
ElhonnaDS
The preliminary results of the buffs I've seen so far bring MM, BM and SV within ~2k of eachother.
2k out out of how much total?
Well, I think the BM hunter in my raid group tends to be around 80-85k on single target tank n' spank fights, and we're only 4/6 on HoF normal, so I imagine people doing hard modes are well over 100k. Currently, as SV, I am standing at around 75-78k on the same kind of fights, with comparable gear to his.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##ElhonnaDS##DELIM##
Post by
Nooska
I'll rephrase that, within ~1-3% of eachother.
Post by
GreyGoomba
That ~1-3% can mean a lot in a hardcore progression guild, and I really appreciate those websites like icy-veins and elitist jerk are great guides to help you get your rotation down, but if you are just doing regular dungeons while you explore, or dabbling in PvP, or even just the raid finder it doesn't matter as much. The classes are not so broken that BM is the only way to go, but websites that show numbers and phrase it as if MM is so inferior that it's practically detrimental to a team sometimes confuse players.
I got kicked out of a random dungeon for playing a MM hunter. If my damage was ridiculously low or something, I'd sort of get how someone could be frustrated. But, this was a lvl 20 dungeon before combat had even started.
Play what you want to, primarily, while you are trying to level and farm rares or whatever. When it's time to raid, consider the min/maxing and practice the skills you'll need for that spec. If you can't get a good rhythm down for BM, go back to SV and there shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by
Nooska
Reason I'm not providing exact reference from the EJ thread is that I cannot remember where in it exactly it is (and I don't feel super inclined to go look for it just to "win an argument on the internet")
Yes, I head up the BM thread on EJ, but I'm not the one writing all the posts. For the record, Esoth (who heads up the SV thread) is the one that pointed out to me that I hadn't updated the guide from cata suggesitons;
https://twitter.com/Esoth/status/253938700378075136
Since the EJ thread guides are based on analysis and math, I think you are the one that needs to provide backup to your point, rather than me finding whats already been done :-)
(And yes, I agree on sims being a bad way of finding out how things work and interact - I only use them as guides to what to look for myself)
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