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Why is Horde:Alliance ratio important?
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Post by
jure12
My server has long login queues and far more Horde than the Alliance, yet Blizzard offers free transfer only for Horde players. I play Alliance and want to move to a more playable server (login queues take up to half an hour), but I am not offered to do it for free, like the Horde is. Why? OK, "they want money" is the obvious one, but are they "officially" doing it for the sake of faction balance? If my server would be empty on the Alliance side, I see no reason why Horde would mind?
So, am I stuck on an unplayable server for any other reason than money someone would like to drain from me?
In hope of suggestions and clarifications,
jure12
Post by
Sephrain
If the balance is heavily shifted in one faction's direction, especially on a PvP server, balancing out the numbers makes playing a little easier for everyone. For example, gathering mats. Prices drop on Alliance (in this case) as they have an easier time gathering without competition(PvE) or dying (PvP); and on Horde the added scarcity bumps up the prices, making professions more viable.
I don't know what the
official
answer is, but speaking as someone who played on some very lopsided servers, often PvP and often on the wrong side, H:A ratio can be important.
edit: misread your post, edited for clarity
Post by
lonewolfe31705
When Blizzard does faction specific server transfers like the one you describe it is for a few reasons.
1. Faction Balance. If there are 9 Horde for every 1 Alliance on your server, new players will be more inclined to roll Horde as there are more people. Which leads to that balance skewing even more.
2. Server balance. Since you are 9H/1A (dunno...just using that as an example.) Getting 5 of those Horde players to transfer off removes some of the log in queues you are experiencing.
3. I'm just going to ignore your 'they want money" as someone who is butt-hurt they aren't getting to be a special snowflake and get stuff free. And yes the horde would mind, as with no opposing faction, there can be no world PVP.
Post by
jure12
For example, gathering mats. Prices drop on Alliance (in this case) as they have an easier time gathering without competition(PvE) or dying (PvP).
Those things even themselves out via supply and demand, and still someone has to go to gather ore/herbs, prices would not plummet
Getting 5 of those Horde players to transfer off removes some of the log in queues you are experiencing.
Same would happen for Horde if they allow Alliance to move.
And yes the horde would mind, as with no opposing faction, there can be no world PVP.
There is no world PvP. Players use BGs and Arenas. Halaa is as empty as Tarren Mill is.
I'm just going to ignore your 'they want money" as someone who is butt-hurt they aren't getting to be a special snowflake and get stuff free.
Could you can also ignore your urge to use that language? Not everyone here is your age (read: some are older than thou). Thank you.
Post by
BigH
So, am I stuck on an unplayable server for any other reason than money someone would like to drain from me?
In addition to the other things that have been mentioned: You're "stuck" (you're not really) on an "unplayable" (it's not, just lopsided) server because Blizzard doesn't care about YOU, they care about the SERVER.
It sucks that you're suffering because of the population imbalance, but they're trying to fix it with the Horde only free transfers. If they offered everyone a free transfer, then it would only make the imbalance worse. You (or any one person) don't matter in this decision, they're doing what's best for the server as a whole.
It stands to reason that just like they have free Horde transfers off your server, they probably have free Alliance transfers TO your server too. Their ultimate goal here is to make both factions enjoyable by encouraging the population to balance itself, offering free Alliance transfers would do the opposite.
Post by
jure12
So, am I stuck on an unplayable server for any other reason than money someone would like to drain from me?
In addition to the other things that have been mentioned: You're "stuck" (you're not really) on an "unplayable" (it's not, just lopsided) server because Blizzard doesn't care about YOU, they care about the SERVER.
It sucks that you're suffering because of the population imbalance, but they're trying to fix it with the Horde only free transfers. If they offered everyone a free transfer, then it would only make the imbalance worse. You (or any one person) don't matter in this decision, they're doing what's best for the server as a whole.
It stands to reason that just like they have free Horde transfers off your server, they probably have free Alliance transfers TO your server too. Their ultimate goal here is to make both factions enjoyable by encouraging the population to balance itself, offering free Alliance transfers would do the opposite.
Jesus, I just don't believe the sentiment of posters here... All those hurt feelings because I mentioned transfer money? Why would one self-appoint oneself as a Blizzard advocate in the first place? You didn't even notice that my main point is that the faction balance is not important to begin with, nor did you (consequently) said why would it be important...
Post by
LordDralnu
I am on the fence about the ratio really meaning anything at all.
You can have a small amount of horde players who are really good and yet have tons of Alliance players who are horrible and need handicaps x10 to even measure up to those horde players who on a garbage day could wipe the floor with 10 alliance to 1 horde.
The only ratio I believe is important is good players to good players. All of the rest just flood the server attacking your ankles becoming ankle bitters.
Needless to say the auction house always balances itself out in the end. Many guilds on my server at one point x-fered to other servers because they heard this and that about the AH being cheap and easy to manipulate. Others left because they found servers who had a balance shifting one way to the other.
In the end everyone wants the advantage and as long as people can transfer freely no true balance can ever be maintained.
You also have to count on of people leaving wow on a relatively constant basis, that in itself destroys balance as well.
There are so many Variables people just do not count into a well balanced realm it's frankly square.
Nothing is cut and dry in WOW "The auction house has more mats so the alliance has the upper hand" or "There are 200 more active Alliance players then horde." These are just 2 small variables in a train wreck of others that cause the realm to be uneven.
Post by
TickleMeThrall
On a PvP server H:A ratio is huge. On Arthas the Horde dominate and it shows. Even with combined servers the Horde still dominate. I'm so glad I'm not an Ally otherwise Timeless Isle would be impossible.
Post by
jure12
Faction balance is not important?
I don't think you play the the minority faction on an imbalanced PVP server.
If you did, I doubt you would be saying that.
I am on an imbalanced PVP realm and doing dailys was hard, Thunder Isle was just about doable and as for the Timeless Isle, I gave that up as I got fed up dying.
Not sure why it is so hard to understand. In my scenario, you would get free character transfer from that server, your faction would be empty, other faction couldn't care less, and no one has a problem. Except those people who for some (terribly "argued") reason think it is a problem if one faction is empty.
This game is not the same since first BG was introduced, not to mention Arenas, dual specs, welfare epics, achievements and what not. Everything changed, yet people have this "faction balance" fixation. Until some patch that turns things upside down and then someone arguing
for
faction balance would be attacked by Blizz fanboys for thinking out of the box...(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##This is not going well and I'd like you to change the way you're approaching the thread.
Firstly, don't start throwing around derisive terms like "Blizz fanboy" - this is just an ad hominem and a way to avoid engaging in discussion by trying to discredit someone that doesn't agree with you. Stop it.
Secondly, and similarly, don't tell people that their comments are "
terribly "argued"
" when you're making no efforts to refute, or even rebut, their points.
If you really think you have a strong point to make that others aren't understanding then find a better way to make your point, it's not other people's fault for not agreeing with you.
Post by
Aderother
Not sure why it is so hard to understand. In my scenario, you would get free character transfer from that server, your faction would be empty, other faction couldn't care less, and no one has a problem. Except those people who for some (terribly "argued") reason think it is a problem if one faction is empty.
This game is not the same since first BG was introduced, not to mention Arenas, dual specs, welfare epics, achievements and what not. Everything changed, yet people have this "faction balance" fixation. Until some patch that turns things upside down and then someone arguing
for
faction balance would be attacked by Blizz fanboys for thinking out of the box...
It really does sound like you're irritated because 1) Blizzard isn't catering specifically what YOU want and 2) people are disagreeing with your point of view. Blizzard does what they think is gong to be best for everyone, and people complain about every decision made, which is their right. If they tried to cater to everyone's wishes, the game would be a huge mess. I'm not a huge advocate of Blizzard's practices, but I can see where they are coming from. Getting upset and complaining on Wowhead isn't really going to change anything.
You're right, the game has changed, but I don't see how that's relevant to your initial complaint. Faction balance has been an important part of decisions since before the first BG was introduced, when the only PvP was world PvP. I don't envision a scenario in which people arguing for faction balance would be attacked by fanboys. Honestly, that's a bit extreme.
Post by
TickleMeThrall
Play the minority on a PvP server. You'll know why A:H is important.
Post by
axhed
my guess is that in the past, free xfers off of lopsided realms resulted in more of the smaller faction leaving, rather than the larger.
Post by
Azrile
I understand where Blizzard is coming from. They are giving server transfers to reduce queue times.
Now they have an option, give it to everyone, or give it to high faction only. But you have to remember, their purpose is to help the server. If they give it to everyone, mostly alliance will leave which will fix some of the login problems, but hurt the remaining alliance in contested zones.
They way they do it may make things like TI or Isle of Thunder just a little bit more playable for alliance.
Their way
1. Benefits Horde because of login times
2. Benefits Alliance because of login times
3. Benefits Alliance because of slightly changing faction balance
Your way
1. Benefits Horde because of login times
2. Benefits Alliance because of login time
3. Benefits Alliance who can transfer off to more balanced servers
4. Hurts Alliance who remain because of even higher imbalanced factions.
Judgement call on their part, but I agree with them. In your case, while you can´t transfer off, you do get two benefits.. shorter logins and slighly better faction balance.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Honestly, the Balance is important, without it places like the semi-worldpvp bgs would be in one side for days on end because they could stack CCs and the buffs won't help.
Even if your average hordie was just a overglorfied meatsack version of a bot, 5 of them would overwhelm a single more skilled Alliance player just through sheer numbers and spamming frostfire bolt, shadow bolt or whatnot. It doesn't matter that the Ally knows how to Leap backwards and charge, or to use Antimagic shell to tank CCs, he'll simply get overwhelmed by a pile of warm bodies.
That's why they need it to be 1:1 or as close as possible, so that skill would generally win out (Not counting the skilled player being a low-tier class and the less skilled one being a mage-tier class).
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