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Post by
topcari
There's a lot of great talents added in the Retribution Tree and I'm having a hard time figuring out where to where to spend my talent points. Here's what I've came up with, the focus is on PvP.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZxGzZVfcthbuAGsMuAo
(0/11/60)
This build won't have the 6% damage reduction from Imp. Righteous Fury and 30 secs. HoJ CD reduction but it will have Judgements of the Wise for prolonged fights and a bit more DPS from Imp. Retribution Aura and 3/3 Swift Retribution.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZtGzh0hZVfcth0uAMsMkAo
(0/18/53)
This build will lose Judgements of the Wise, Imp. Retribution Aura and 2/3 Swift Retribution (leaving only 1/3 behind) but gain Imp. Righteous Fury and Imp. HoJ. It is possible to lose Sanctified Wrath and the remaining Swift Retribution for 3/3 Judgements of the Wise.
I'm leaning towards the second build with 3/3 Judgements of the Wise.
Post by
Karol
Eh...in both specs you dindnt give fanaticism that is very good and usefull...and i would say that these build arent even good for PvP. About the 1 spec its realy bad...you didnt give Judgements of Wise and without it you will go OOM very fast also you wasted 3 points for a talent that gives spell power ...as i know retri palas dont use spell power for DPSing... and about the 2 spec...its a bit better then the first one but still isnt the best...
I dont know how to link specs so...if you tell me how ill show you a nice spec for PvP for retri pala.
Post by
topcari
Eh...in both specs you dindnt give fantastic that is very good and usefull...and i would say that these build arent even good for PvP. About the 1 spec its realy bad...you didnt give Judgements of Wise and without it you will go OOM very fast also you wasted 3 points for a talent that gives spell power ...as i know retri palas dont use spell power for DPSing... and about the 2 spec...its a bit better then the first one but still isnt the best...
I dont know how to link specs so...if you tell me how ill show you a nice spec for PvP for retri pala.
I believe you meant Fanaticism. I don't really see how good or useful it is in PvP. 25% Critical hit chance increase seems nice but it only affects Judgements - something that is casted only once every 8 seconds. As for the threat part, you might wanna try giving Salvation to yourself in PvP. They have the same effect.
Sheath of Light, the spell power increasing talent. I took it because it will allow me to do some emergency healing. Also, Judgement of Command scales with spell power so that's an increase in DPS. Hell, it's so good that even some Healadins want to take it over Beacon of Light.
To make a link for talents, go to
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=s
. After that, fill in the talents. When you're done, click on "Link to this build“ which is at the top of the left-most talent tree. The URL address should've changed and you can copy and paste it onto wherever you want.
This is my current build:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZtGzh0hZVfcth0uAGs0zAo
Post by
holydeadpenguins
Eh...in both specs you dindnt give fantastic that is very good and usefull...and i would say that these build arent even good for PvP. About the 1 spec its realy bad...you didnt give Judgements of Wise and without it you will go OOM very fast also you wasted 3 points for a talent that gives spell power ...as i know retri palas dont use spell power for DPSing... and about the 2 spec...its a bit better then the first one but still isnt the best...
I dont know how to link specs so...if you tell me how ill show you a nice spec for PvP for retri pala.
Judgement of command has always scaled with spell power. But in the beta ALL judgements scale with both AP and spell power. There's no reason not to take that talent.
Post by
Karol
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZtGzh0hZVfcthbzVGogzAo
Here is the talent tree for PvP im gonna use as retri in WotLK.
Edited this 5 times coz first time i am linking something:P
Post by
topcari
I don't understand why are you taking Fanaticism for PvP. You might want to explain why is it good and useful.
If all Judgements scale with both Spell Power and AP in beta as holydeadpenguins has said, then there's really no reason why you shouldn't take Sheath of Light.
Post by
151294
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Post by
topcari
Yea I guess we won't know unless we try the spec ourselves but that won't stop us from theorycrafting. Maybe someone on beta could try it out.
So on to more discussion... Should points be taken out from Judgements of the Wise for Sanctified Wrath? While the mana regeneration may be nice, Ret Paladins aren't made to outlast others.
Post by
Karol
I take it for the 25% more chance for crit from judgements and with it i got 56% chance for crit from judgement...if i use e.g Seal of Command and judgement and there will be no crit it will atack...lets say 300...and with a crit it will atack 700+.
I give it because when i use SoC(Seal of Crusader) judgement on my target, then SoC(Seal of Command), then stun the target, then AV and then release the judgement of SoC and i crit 2500-4789 with that(4789 my best record of dmg when used judgement) in WotLK...when Art of The War will proc...lol double dmg and that would mean 10000dmg and all the time im criting with judgement what gives me 5/10/15 % more dmg done(talent in retri...it procs when you crit).
Post by
topcari
I wouldn't deny that Fanaticism is good with the 10000 damage crits but you could still crit without Fanaticism.
Assuming Art of War is on, 56% of your Judgements will hit for 10000 while 44% will hit for 5000. (10000*0.56)+(5000*0.44) = 7800. Your Judgements will hit for an average of 7800.
Without Fanaticism, 31% of your Judgements will hit for 10000 while 69% will hit for 5000. (10000*0.31)+(5000*0.69)= 6550. Your Judgements will hit for an average of 6550.
100 - ((6550/7800 )*100) =~ 16. You lose about 16% DPS from your
Judgements
. You cast a Judgement once every 8 seconds only.
5 Talent points for 16% is great but it only affect your Judgements. Most of your damage actually comes from other sources. The 5 talent points could be spent on places like Two-Handed Specialization (6% DPS increase from your weapon - this includes white damage, CS and Divine Storm), Sheath of Light (Judgement damage increase which
scales
with your gear) and Divine Purpose (something absolutely needed in PvP against snares).
Post by
Abraxin
For PvP, eh? Well...
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZxGkh0hZVfctG0hAGsMzVo
Is my current goal. Though, I am seriously considering taking two points out of Righteous Vengeance, or Divine Purpose, for Divine Guardian. More arena support. Either that, or put the points into Sanctified Retribution and Crusade (Total of +3% damage).
Though knowing me, I'll probably go for Divine Guardian. Just to sexy too pass up ~.^
Post by
hillavara
This is how i would spec i think
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZxGzhRhZVfctG0hVIoMzAo
But it might be better to spent the talent points i put in "Art of war" in "Divine Purpose" or "Sheat of Light".
And i think that "Divine Guardian" is way to usefull to skip and if u put
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=6940
at ur buddy at the same time as ur unnder Dvine Shield it would be 60% dmg reduce. Its way too usefull to skip...
Post by
topcari
This is how i would spec i think
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZxGzhRhZVfctG0hVIoMzAo
But it might be better to spent the talent points i put in "Art of war" in "Divine Purpose" or "Sheat of Light".
And i think that "Divine Guardian" is way to usefull to skip and if u put
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=6940
at ur buddy at the same time as ur unnder Dvine Shield it would be 60% dmg reduce. Its way too usefull to skip...
I agree Divine Guardian is extremely useful. It's pretty much a weak version of Pain Suppression but applied on the whole group. With Blessing of Sacrifice and Pain Suppression from a Priest, that person will not be taking any damage at all (30+30+40)!
You should take one point off Sanctified Seals. You lose the one crit but now your Seal will be dispellable and will protect more important buffs (dispel mechanisms now skip 100% dispel resistant buffs and go on to the other ones). Stoicism will provide 30% dispel resist while Sanctified Seals provide 66%. Along with the 1% resist chance of all spells, your Seals will now be 97% dispel resistant.
And one point in Anticipation will probably be better than one point in Toughness.
EDIT:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents2.html
The Retribution talent tree has been changed but Wowhead has not updated the tree yet. Vindication and Pursuit of Justice are now a two point talent (previously three). Two extra points to spend!
Post by
bathazar
I think
this spec
is better for pvp
Post by
topcari
I think
this spec
is better for pvp
You're not taking Imp. Righteous Fury and Imp. HoJ?
Post by
176134
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Post by
151294
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Post by
topcari
And how about
this spec
, i guess in PvP we don't need Vindication so much...
Vindication will reduce all stats by 20%. Assuming your target has 7500 HP from Stamina and Vindication Procs the first time you hit him, 7500*0.2 = 1500, you will be reducing your target's HP by 1500. Strength (AP), Agility (AP/Crit/Dodge) and all the other stats will also be reduced. Seems pretty useful to me.
Post by
holydeadpenguins
And how about
this spec
, i guess in PvP we don't need Vindication so much...
Vindication's useless in pve since just about every elite is immune to it, but great in pvp. You've got it backwards.
Post by
aeoris
Well, you have to keep in mind that vindication will reduce your enemy's total hp by 20% not their current hp, so in many cases it might resemble them going from 60% to something like 75% but not changing their current health. Their other stats would be modified causing you to take less damage and making them dodge less. But as far as I have known pvp has been mostly about flexing your offensive abilities rather than relying on defensive (of course this is arguable), but in my opinion for pvp, I dont know if vindication is nessisary.
My second thought is.... Why do you guys keep putting 1 point into blessing of kings? It dosnt make any sense to me that you would prefer a 2% increase to stats over the 300 some attack power that you would get from Imp blessing of might and the increased strength. Just my opinion once again, but I think I'm going to pass on blessing of kings come 3.0.
Anyway, here's my level 80 build so far, not completely set on it just yet.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0ebZVfbtrIufMsxuAo
Let me know what you think.
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