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WTB - A challenging Heroic 5-man.
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You know... Heroic Oculus aint no joke... thats why i never see in LFG on my server atleast. Enjoy whats easy now because when Lich King comes out, he might be impossibly hard to kill.
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You know, if you want more challenge you can just go with a crappy group of newly-dinged lv 80s. Atleast you can help them get their gear. If thats not enough either, try it 4 and 3 man.
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Booterang
Yes WOLTK is a bit easier at the moment, but I am sure that the difficulty will be improved in later raid content. 5-mans are merely a stepping stone to harder content, therefore its safe to say that they should be attempted by people in gear that is not of that level yet.
As a resto shaman starting out in WOLTK heroics, I had a hard time getting past instances such as Azjol Nerub, CoS and Utgarde pinnacle. After a month and a full set of tier 7.5 I have to say heroics are now very easy where they were once hard.
Seriously, one of the big problems with BC was that the heroics were too hard for undergeared players, it made getting the items necessary for raiding far too hard. Not to mention you could buy end game raider gear with the badges, which is just plain lucridous. 5-mans are merely a stepping stone for raids, which will be a further stepping stone for harder raid content, hopefully Uludar will be one of these.
If people really think heroics are too easy, put on some scrubby greens/blues, then you'll find it more to your liking.
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Niniveh
Thanks, but no thanks. I am very much enjoying the content. I have no desire to return to the way TBC heroics were set up. Planning creative ways to CC trash is not a challenge I want to deal with thanks.
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Sakkura
Regarding AN heroic:
the trash on the first boss can sometimes be challenging for some groups (50% of groups that I've been with); and Anub'Arak requires the group to have some decent gear or tank won't survive Pound, if the group's dps isn't enough - you get overwhelmed with poison dealing adds and wipe.
Yeah you could go with a tank that can stand in pound and survive. Or you could go with a tank who has a brain and moves out of pound.
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Sakkura
Unfortunately for many of us here at WowHead, the general consensus seems to criticize the (lack of) difficulty of the game in general. Blizz catered to the hardcore, driven, self-mutilating players in the last expansion, and many of us enjoyed the challenge to some degree.
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1. We had our time in BC
2. Blizz will most likely not change things to a BC like difficulty
3 Will we have to take it as is? A: Yes for the most part.
You're wrong. TBC was actually more "casualised" than vanilla wow. WotLK is merely continuing that trend.
Raiding original Naxx was all but a full-time job, while sunwell could be raided on a casual basis.
Pre-TBC is when getting an epic item was, well, an epic achievement. TBC is when purple became the new blue and started getting handed out like candy.
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create a rants forum
so only those that contribute to the complaints have to be exposed to this garbage.
That's actually not a bad idea imo. There are times when I get frustrated with the game (lately, it's been the gap between item levels for pre-expansion and post-expansion content, rendering Lvl60 Old World and Lvl70 Outland instances barren and useless) and it's nice to let it out. I don't wanna quit the game (I still love it!) but it's nice to let the steam out every once in a wihle.
-- As for the OP, I have to say I've thoroughly enjoyed the WoLK 5-mans. Except for their incredible short duration (15 min. runs through AN? Really?), they are the best yet.
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Sakkura
Wow, a lot of hate going towards a guy who honestly has a valid point.
All the heroics in Wrath are a heck of a lot easier then they were in TBC. Try doing Steamvaults with level 70 players in t4 before 3.0? You're asking for a lot of hurt. Try doing Arcatraz with the same level 70 t4 players before 3.0 without shadow resist, very painful.
*Ahem*
Try doing TBC heroics in blue gear. I remember doing heroic black morass in the early days of TBC - probably within a week of release. Most of the group (guild only) were in mixed blues, a few crafted epics and some epics from level 60 when they were not superceded by TBC loot (think BWL trinkets and that sort of thing). All 5 of us were used to endgame raiding - 4 of us in a guild that was doing late AQ40 / early Naxxramas, and the 5th just switched from a guild that was raiding deep Naxx. We were pretty much tested to our limit there, in that silly little 5-man that would eventually go on to become a farmed lootbag. But it was nothing of the sort when attacked with the proper level of gear.
And remember, the loot from TBC heroics were in between blues from normal instances and the stuff from Karazhan; you were meant to do heroics
before
Karazhan and later raids. That was, of course, especially obvious in the beginning when there were a ton of raid attunements that required various heroic dungeon runs. So you were supposed to do them in blue gear. They were tuned to be really, really tough. That people just kept coming back to them after they picked up Karazhan epics just watered down the difficulty. When people kept coming back even in epics from Black Temple (which was not in TBC at launch) or even Sunwell Plateau... Well, then it was bound to become ridiculous. It was like doing Stratholme in tier 2 or 3.
Heroics in WotLK are tuned differently and are itemised differently. They have better loot - a mix of blue and epics at the same itemlevel as the entry-level raid - and they are easier when your group is in the
intended
quality of gear.
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